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	<title>Comments on: Guernsey Developers User Group, January 25</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<description>Yep, got the info about this one today too and plan to go. I only go to the BCS meetings infrequently but this one looks more interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FIT&#039;s an interesting idea although I&#039;m not sure it will scale very well, it will be interesting to hear practical usage. We used JUnit extensively in the last project I was on  and I lost count of the test cases but I&#039;m sure it was in the many hundreds, probably 1-2000 if you count each condition. When you get to any significant size, a document or documents probably doesn&#039;t really work that well. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other thing is that there are many conditions that aren&#039;t natural for a customer to express as a table too (many customers aren&#039;t great with structured approaches, although finance people who use Excel as the &#039;one true tool for all&#039; will be happy with it. Round-trip tools are always fraught with issues of cross-exchange of limitations (the lowest common denominator applies) and sometimes a conceptual break can be a positive thing, so long as controls are in place to ensure nothing falls between the gaps. No user/customer I know thinks at the unit testing level anyway; their test plans tend to be much more combinational &amp; contextual, something that quickly bloats a unit testing suite (necessarily) but makes for very dull reading in a document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, got the info about this one today too and plan to go. I only go to the BCS meetings infrequently but this one looks more interesting.</p>
<p>FIT&#8217;s an interesting idea although I&#8217;m not sure it will scale very well, it will be interesting to hear practical usage. We used JUnit extensively in the last project I was on  and I lost count of the test cases but I&#8217;m sure it was in the many hundreds, probably 1-2000 if you count each condition. When you get to any significant size, a document or documents probably doesn&#8217;t really work that well. </p>
<p>The other thing is that there are many conditions that aren&#8217;t natural for a customer to express as a table too (many customers aren&#8217;t great with structured approaches, although finance people who use Excel as the &#8216;one true tool for all&#8217; will be happy with it. Round-trip tools are always fraught with issues of cross-exchange of limitations (the lowest common denominator applies) and sometimes a conceptual break can be a positive thing, so long as controls are in place to ensure nothing falls between the gaps. No user/customer I know thinks at the unit testing level anyway; their test plans tend to be much more combinational &amp; contextual, something that quickly bloats a unit testing suite (necessarily) but makes for very dull reading in a document.</p>
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